上人：你問他是信達賴喇嘛，還是信釋迦牟尼佛？怎麼不說呢？
弟子：他說信釋迦牟尼佛。
上人：那麼達賴喇嘛，他吃不吃肉我不知道。我聽說達賴喇嘛是吃素的，但是他以下的喇嘛，很多是吃肉的。就算達賴喇嘛他也吃肉，那麼釋迦牟尼佛是不主張吃肉的。他是要學著達賴喇嘛吃肉呢？或是跟著釋迦牟尼佛不吃肉呢？
弟子：他要知道信佛教的人，有沒有什麼方法對治吃肉的效果？果微明白吃肉的業報，明白不應該吃肉，可是他聽說有時候信佛教的人也可以吃肉。他要知道上人對那些情形有什麼看法，或者有什麼方法來對治吃肉的惡業。
上人：佛也吃肉，他不主張吃肉，他吃肉不是他自己要吃，是旁人供養他的。佛吃肉不是自己殺的生，這叫三淨肉。就是比丘，出家人也可以吃肉，居士也可以吃肉，可以吃三淨肉。
什麼叫三淨肉呢？就是不見殺、不聞殺、不為我殺，這叫三淨肉。我沒有看見人殺生；我也沒有聽見畜生要死的時候，那種哭叫的聲音，這叫不聞殺；不為我殺，這個畜生不是為我而殺的。這個肉，為著身體軟弱可以吃。並且佛是托缽到外面去化緣去。這化緣托缽，其實有的時候人家給他什麼，他就吃什麼。他不是自己想要吃，是旁人供養他的，可以吃的。他方才說要找一個方法。
為什麼修道人不吃肉呢？就因為吃肉會增加人的淫欲心；修道人不應該有淫欲心，所以不吃幫助淫欲的這種飲食。
這是最重要的一個道理。這是要你清淨，沒有染污，這是不吃肉最要緊的一個原因。
Okay。可以到那邊去做大迴向。開始念佛，把這個牌位念往生咒時就燒了。
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上人語錄
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Venerable Master: Do you believe in the Dalai Lama or do you believe in Shakyamuni Buddha? Disciple: Well, I believe in the Buddha, but I, well...
Venerable Master: Well, I don't know if the Dalai Lama eats meat. I've heard that he is vegetarian, but that many Lamas under him do eat meat. Even if the Dalai Lama himself does eat meat, Shakyamuni Buddha did not advocate eating meat. Now are you going to follow the Dalai Lama in eating meat, or follow Shakyamuni Buddha in not eating meat?
Disciple: Do Buddhists have some way of counteracting the effect of eating meat on a karmic level? I understand the karmic retribution involved in eating meat. I know that we shouldn't eat meat. But I've heard that there are certain circumstances in which Buddhists can eat meat. I was wondering what your views on this were, and whether there was a way of counteracting the bad karma of eating meat.
Venerable Master: The Buddha ate meat. But he did not advocate eating meat. He himself did not want to eat it, but it was offered to him. Also, he did not kill the animals he ate. He condoned three kinds of pure meat which could be eaten by Bhikshus and lay people.
What are the three kinds of pure meat? If you did not see the animal killed, it is pure. If you did not hear its cries as it was being killed, it is pure. If it was not killed expressly for you, it is pure. If you didn't see the animal killed or hear its screams as it died, and if the animal wasn't killed just for you to eat, in that case, if your body is weak, you can eat it. In the Buddha's day, the monks went out begging for food and they ate whatever they were given. It wasn't that they could cook whatever they wanted to eat. They just ate whatever was offered to them.
But why is it that cultivators of the Way should not eat meat? It's because eating meat increases people's sexual desire. Cultivators should have no sexual desire, and so they should consume food and drink which do not stimulate desire.
That's the most important reason, really, for practicing vegetarianism. Cultivators must be pure and undefiled. That is the most important reason for not eating meat.
Okay, we can do the Great Transference now and recite the Buddha's name. Burn the plaques when we recite the Mantra for Rebirth in the Pure Land.
Epilogue:
The assembly then drove in a caravan to the ocean and performed the final Great Transference of Merit at the beach as the sun set, recalling the first of the contemplations listed in the Sutra of Sixteen Contemplations: "Contemplate the setting sun, its appearance like that of a suspended drum..."
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Venerable Master's Dharma Words
We may think we are doing good deeds,but they are not necessarily good deeds.That's because the "seeds" or causes may not be pure.
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