【註五】上人於一九九三年十二月二日補述
上人：三魂七魄，像小孩子的樣子，但是它單有一根，沒有多根。它在人身上，所以人能言行動作都是這個支使的。魂魄聚到一起，然後修成了，在佛教就是「佛」，在道教他們修就是「仙」。有的單單有眼睛，有的單單有耳朵，互相幫助的；能聽的小孩子，就幫助能看的小孩子，互相可以通的。所以你修成了就可以六根互用，耳朵也可以吃飯，也可以說話，這個很多你想不到的境界。
弟子：上人以前提到有一個小徒弟到天上去玩，被魔王圈著，他就對上人說：「怎麼辦？我不能回來！」這是不是他的魂魄有一些到那裏去了？
上人：那是三魂七魄中，或者去一個，或者去兩個，或者去三個、四個，都不一定；出去的，它又聚到一起了，不是還七個魄，或者三個魂，是出去就合成一個了。這個就是這麼妙的，它是一股靈氣嘛！
弟子：這個是不是修行的程度不一樣，有的出去少，有的出去多？
上人：不出去好一點。盡出去遊玩也有危險，有時遇到魔，就把魂魄抓去了，這個人就傻了，白癡，人像個 vegetable（植物），這都是沒有魂魄的，魂魄被魔抓去了。魂就是鬼，修成了，屬陽就是屬神；再修好了就是仙；再修好了就是佛，都是這一個成就。
弟子：譬如植物人，或者有一個人，他的三魂七魄去了一些，雖然他的身體還在，那麼這出去的魂魄，是不是又變成另外一個？
上人：不是變成另外一個，就是跟著魔走了。所以這個人有時候就明白一點，有的時候就很糊塗的。
弟子：一個修行人，他的三魂七魄去了一些，如果遇到佛菩薩……
上人：你若真修行，默默中都有護法。我遇到奇奇怪怪的人太多了，好像能出玄入牝的人，我遇到很多。你們沒有遇到這種境界，都不認識不知道。好像臺灣那個跳童的，都是「五十種陰魔」的作用嘛！
弟子：他們是修到那個程度了嗎？
上人：他們也往前修，也在立功嘛！也就像人似的，有的學好有的不學好；不學好就做魔王的眷屬。
那麼在你的身上，和這個「意志精神」：意就是意志這個意，同你的志氣，和你的精神這種種的。「除執受身，餘皆涉入」：你除了這個身體，這個魂、魄、意、志、精、神，互相涉入；你到我這兒，我到你那兒，互相幫助，互相涉入。「互為賓主」：有時候你做主人，我做客人；有時候又他做主人，你做客人：這六種互相為賓主。
「忽於空中，聞說法聲」：忽然在虛空裏頭聽見講經說法呢！誰講的？只聞其聲未見其人，就聽見說法聲，但是看不見誰說的。其實就是你自己的魂魄、意志、精神互為主賓去講的。「或聞十方，同敷密義」：或者聽到十方虛空裏頭都講經說法呢！這是什麼道理？這個就是因為你在因地 -- 所謂因地就是前生 -- 前生你聽過經，聞過法，在你這魂魄、意志、精神裏頭沒有忘了，所以今生你用功逼拶到極點，就把這個東西都﹝虫＋貢﹞出來了，都跑出來了，就聽到好像講經說法的聲音。
待續
上人語錄
※要生極樂，要把感情收拾乾淨。
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NOTE 5. THE VENERABLE MASTER’S EXPLANATION ON DECEMBER 2,1993
Venerable Master:Our three souls and seven spirits are like children. But they each have only one sense faculty, not many. Because they control our bodies, we are able to speak and perform actions. They are gathered together, and when your cultivation is accomplished, they become what is known as a Buddha in Buddhism or an immortal in Taoism. Some have only eyes and some have only ears, so they help each other. The child who has ears and can hear will help the one who can see. They are interconnected. So when you achieve the interchangeable functioning of the six sense faculties, your ears will be able to eat and talk. There are many states such as these that you cannot even conceive of.
Disciple:Venerable Master, you mentioned that you had a young disciple who went to the heavens to play and was captured by a demon king. He cried, "What can I do? I can't come back!" Did some of his souls and spirits go there?
Venerable Master:Among his three souls and seven spirits, maybe only one went, or maybe two went, or maybe three or four went. It's not for sure. Once they got there, they aggregated together. They were not seven or three separate entities. Once they go out, they unite into one. That's how wonderful and mysterious it is. It's a mass of efficacious energy!
Disciple:Is it because of different levels of cultivation that some people can send out more spirits than others?
Venerable Master:It's better not to send spirits out. If they always go out to play, they risk being caught by the demons. When the souls and spirits are captured, one becomes dumb. Retarded people and people who are "vegetables" are that way because their souls and spirits have been seized by demons. Souls are ghosts, but with some cultivation, they can become spirits, which are yang in nature. With more cultivation, they can become Buddhas. All these states of cultivation are achieved by the same individual soul.
Disciple:If a person is in a "vegetable," or comatose state or has lost some of his three souls and seven spirits, although his physical body is still intact, will the spirits and souls which have left him become another person?
Venerable Master:They don't become another person; they simply go with the demons. That's why the person is sometimes lucid, but sometimes very muddled.
Disciple:What if a cultivator who has sent out some of his three souls and seven spirits encounters Buddhas or Bodhisattvas?
Venerable Master: If a person is truly cultivating, there will be Dharma-protectors invisibly surrounding him. I have met a lot of strange people who can send spirits out of their bodies. Since you haven't encountered such states, you wouldn't recognize or understand them. For instance, the experience of those who act as mediums in Taiwan is described in the Fifty Skandha-demon States.
Disciple: Have they reached that level in their cultivation?
Venerable Master: They are advancing in their cultivation and creating merit. Like all people, some learn to be good and others learn to be bad. Those who learn to be bad join the retinue of the demon kings.
These ten souls, together with the intellect, will, essence, and spirit will be able to interact with one another without affecting his body. They will take turns as host and guests. They trade off roles and assist each other. They take turns playing the roles of the host and the guests.
Then he may suddenly hear the Dharma being spoken in space. Someone is lecturing on the Sutras in space! Who is it? He can hear a voice, but he can't see the person. In fact, it is just his own spiritual and physical souls, his intellect, will, essence and spirit taking turns as host and guests to lecture. Or perhaps he will hear esoteric truths being pronounced simultaneously throughout the ten directions. Maybe you hear the Sutras and the Dharma being spoken in space! Why? Because in your cultivation in previous lives, you heard the Sutras and the Dharma being spoken, and your spiritual and physical souls, intellect, will, essence and spirit have not forgotten that. Thus, in this life, when the pressure in your cultivation reaches a peak, these past experiences come forth.
To be continued
Venarable Master's Dharma Words
If you want to be reborn in the Land of Ultimate Bliss, you must make a clean sweep of your emotions. |
